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Post by robin on Nov 2, 2006 15:44:49 GMT -1
I always thought that it was a pity that Alison wanted to stay Alison and not be Patricia anymore. You would say that she would have been relieved that she was cleared and being able to be her own self again.
Would you have liked it when Alison would be Patricia again after she was cleared of the murder of Luke Carlyle.
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Post by simon on Nov 2, 2006 17:10:15 GMT -1
Think it was good that Alison did stay as she was. Alison was a character in her own right. I like both Alison and Patricia - hard to choose between them. Both superb actors. Liked the way Alison talked quite posh.
I think the disappearance of Patrica and the appearance of Alison made such a sharp twist in the story and made the show. Then Pamela coming on the scene gave it the edge!
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Post by col on Nov 3, 2006 7:32:22 GMT -1
Yeah thats a difficult one, I really liked both characters and although they were meant to both be the original Patricia, I liked the way Alison was a character in her own way.This isnt a critisism but watching a few epispodes ,at times I did find it difficult to actually believe Alison was meant to be the Particia we knew originally and loved (or loved to hate), inparticularly can anyone REALLY imagine Paricia at Charlies gym in Red high heels and that exercise suit, and more so I could never ever imagine Patricia doing what Alison did to Wayne when he was having a busines conference with someone at Dural, from memory ALison was pretending to be a blond bimbo who made all of Waynies decisions and sat on his knee telling the business guy just that! Funny scene but I really couldnt imagine Patricia ( or maybes more so Rowena) doing that.
Still great scenes and both actresses/characters were great.
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Post by James on Nov 3, 2006 13:00:16 GMT -1
Yes- I always wondered when it was broadcast why she didn't become Patricia again - but the characters are so different. Alison has the breathiness that Patricia didn't and Patricia was so much more flinty.
Also - you'd think the twins would have been interested in her return. I know the bit with Rob tried to explain but even so.
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Post by goldmister on Jan 4, 2007 8:21:29 GMT -1
I wondered that for quite a while. I just remember thinking "well everyone knows who you are now so why bother with calling yourself Alison"
Obviously in retrospect it's a lot easier to identify who we're talking about by saying "Alison" rather than "the second Patricia"....err obviously there's nothing wrong with being known as "The second...<insert name here>" he says quickly knowing that a certain "second Susan" just happens to pop in here :-)
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Post by Si-Co on Jan 5, 2007 21:30:43 GMT -1
In so many ways 'Patricia' and 'Alison' were different characters. Yes, the fact she was Patricia was relevant to many of the plots (the murder charge, the fact she was Mary's mother, her 'relationship' with David and Charlie, for example) but there were so many things we saw Alison do that we couldn't have imagined the old Pat doing (eg. tarting herself up as 'Wayne's girlfriend', having a one-night stand with Doug).
It was also surprising how quickly the revelation she was Patricia was brushed over. Characters like Andy, and even Gordon and Wayne didn't seem particularly phased by the revelation. Alison telling Fiona and Fiona's reaction was one of the few 'believable' moments in this storyline.
The neurotic, vulnerable side of 'Patricia' was never really shown in the later storylines - Alison, in my humble opinion, lacked any real depth. You never really quite lost sympathy with Rowena's Patricia, no matter how malicious she was, whereas when Alison was shown being ghastly and malicious, there wasn't enough empahasis on the reasons why she was behaving this way. With Patricia, the viewer could usually 'justify' or explain even her most vile and malicious behaviour.
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Post by goldmister on Jan 5, 2007 21:36:23 GMT -1
and I do remember thinking when Rowena came back in as Pamela, that they got the cliffhanger SO wrong it was unbelievable.
Just having Beryl looking up and going "I dont believe it" was rubbish.
Why on earth didn't they go for shock value and cut back to Pamela smiling . That would have made the viewer go mad and you definitely wouldnt have missed the next episode
Always bugs me that one...
yes really
it really does. It winds me up terribly
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Post by Si-Co on Jan 5, 2007 21:38:27 GMT -1
I'm sure every viewer in Australia knew by then it was 'Rowena Wallace' Beryl was talking to, as well!
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Post by hunter on Jan 6, 2007 11:35:31 GMT -1
Most of the cliffhangers were bad by that point -- there's a diabolical one in the 3rd to last episode where Wayne almost turns the (bombed) car on -- only to have Charlie turn up and need a lift!  Thats awful. I don't know who was writing the scripts but they really played to every corny soap cliche in the book by that point... |
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Post by czb on Jan 7, 2007 13:20:22 GMT -1
and I do remember thinking when Rowena came back in as Pamela, that they got the cliffhanger SO wrong it was unbelievable. Just having Beryl looking up and going "I dont believe it" was rubbish. Why on earth didn't they go for shock value and cut back to Pamela smiling . That would have made the viewer go mad and you definitely wouldnt have missed the next episode Always bugs me that one... yes really it really does. It winds me up terribly My guess would be that this was for reasons of economy, to avoid having to pay Rowena Wallace for an additional episode! As her face wasn't actually seen at the end of that episode, I think another non-speaking performer probably played Pamela just for that initial walk into Beryl's cell. (I was going to say "stunt double" - but this is perhaps exactly the sort of role for which the phrase "walk-on" was originally coined! ) I do agree with some of the other points raised on this thread - there didn't seem much point in keeping the "Alison" name once everyone knew who she really was. And there were things, like the bimbo impression during the business conference, which I couldn't imagine the "old" Patricia doing either. But there were several very good moments in which someone else revealed they had discovered her true identity - Charlie, James, Roger, Doug, Gordon....... (not necessarily in that order) .. |
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Post by ilovepat on Jan 20, 2007 19:37:20 GMT -1
I always imagined that Belinda Giblin said she'd take over from Rowena, but only if she was always known as Alison - she's always said how reluctant she was to accept the part, and I think Grundy's had to woo her for a long time - perhaps she just insisted on distance between her and rowena? It's true they were very different characters. Most of Pat's storylines were about her obsession with family, men and money. She always needed to be manipulating a man to feel good about herself. But Alison seemed much more self sufficient - she never really fell in love in that same obsessive way. I thought that was a mistake, as apart from Mary she didnt have any kids to worry about. Belinda was great, but Alison was so oddly detached... I wonder if it's because she was always living with Charlie, it stopped her being so desperate and needy. Patricia wa a loner, Alison often seemed like a bored rich bitch!
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Post by dee16 on Jan 20, 2007 22:39:38 GMT -1
It didn't take me long to get used to Alison as being a completely different chracter to Patricia. I think had the writers decided that Alison should be Patricia once everyone knew this would have been a big mistake.
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Post by ilovepat on Jan 21, 2007 8:54:40 GMT -1
Dee, do say more! Why would it have been a mistake? Just interested in your reasons!
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Post by dee16 on Jan 21, 2007 10:17:07 GMT -1
Probably more to do with the actresses. Rowena Wallace is Pat the Rat and to me no other actress would have been able to take on the character as well as Rowena. Belinda played Alison really well and i'm sure she would not have wanted to step on Rowena's toes as well. ;D
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Post by simon on Jan 21, 2007 11:51:47 GMT -1
Thought Belinda was excellant as Alison. She was one of my favourite characters - along with the second Susan.
To be quite honest, I did'nt realise that Alison was suppose to be Patricia. First time around I missed all the early episodes, so didn't know what her history was. Only caught the show in the last twelve months, when originally aired. By this time, no one in the show mentioned that she was Patricia, they must have just accepted it.
And I obviously didn't see all the Roger Carlie and Doug Fletcher stuff; discoverning she was Patricia, and David saying Hello Pat! When Pamela appeared I was just confussed, but was happy just to carry on watching. It wasn't until I seen the show for a second time all the way through, that I understood what the story was all about.
I think Alison was only interested in two things: business and getting one over Wayne.
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Thats awful.